I can't imagine any legal uses for this piece of software, especially the
"Rip" portion of it, how can this project have GNU logo attached
to it?
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Re: Questionable type of software
by Specht - Mar 18th 2001 06:53:39
> I can't imagine any legal uses for this
> piece of software, especially the
> "Rip" portion of it, how can
> this project have GNU logo attached to
> it?
So what about putting home videos on VCDs and at a
later time trying to
access the MPEG data again to do something else
wth it. I don't keep everyting
I put on a VCD on my hard disk, so I have a need
to get at the MPEG stream
again. A perfectly valid and legal reason for the
RIP function.
BTW: Are you the same timecop as the one from the
gimp-devel list?
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Re: Questionable type of software
by timecop - Mar 19th 2001 00:40:55
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> BTW: Are you the same timecop as the
> one from the
> gimp-devel list?
>
Doesn't it show? :)
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Re: Questionable type of software
by vitualis - Aug 29th 2004 05:36:39
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> % I can't imagine any legal uses for
> this
> % piece of software, especially the
> % "Rip" portion of it, how
> can
> % this project have GNU logo attached
> to
> % it?
>
Quite simple as someone else has already eluded to.
I may well want to author my own VCD with self made content like menus and
home video. At some point later, I may wish to reauthor that VCD -- for
example, add more video, change the menus, etc.
If at this stage I had already deleted the original source media files and
original XML files, then the RIP tool in absolutely invaluable. It allows
you to decompile the VCD back into all the media source files as well as
the XML descripter... everything you need to reauthor / edit the VCD.
The "rip" tool has absolutely no bearing on DVDs. It is basically a tool
that decompiles an image of a VCD. Considering that commercial VCDs are a
rather rare beast AND that there is absolutely no reason to use vcdxrip on
a commercial VCD to copy it (any DAO copying program will do), the rip tool
is in use and spirit for reauthoring/editing self made content.
Best regards,
Michael Tam
(author of VCDImager Tools GUI)
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Re: Questionable type of software
by cgallaty - Mar 19th 2001 09:32:20
> I can't imagine any legal uses for this
> piece of software, especially the
> "Rip" portion of it, how can
> this project have GNU logo attached to
> it?
So are you seriously asking this, or are you bored and only interested in
being flame bait? This whole IP issue is starting to get out of hand. What
kills me is that it's only come up again because now things are digital.
I've owned a VCR for years. It's a little device that has a record button
and therefore can only exist as a tool to copy broadcast television and
violate the IP rights of NBC, ABC, CBS, et al. I've even seen VCRs at Besy
Buy with _2_ slots, so that you can copy one (obviously copyrighted) tape
to another. Where does it end?
There are two separate issues here that I wish people would take a look
at. There are tons of DVD/VCD ripping programs out there. Programs that
will even step DVD files down to DivX or VCD for you. There are also
programs to burn this to CD's. Now, first of all, given the reasoning
above, if we're all just data "pirates", why bother to write a
program ourselves? Cost? What makes pirating the software to pirate DVDs
any more/less ethical. People looking for a free ride don't usually stop to
build a car. Whether people like it or not, digital media is becoming the
norm today. Everytime I go to BlockBuster, the VHS isles have lost ground
to the DVD isles. Most video cameras I find in the store are comming with
"firewire" ports on them to allow digital transfer of video to a
PC. Obviously the growing trend in cameras getting smaller can only mean
that people can sneak into a movie theater and make a "screener"
of the latest flick, right?
Enough. I have the right to make home movies with friends and family, I
have a right to store the video I'm made, in digital, on a VCD, and play
that at any time on my DVD player. Hell, I even have the same rights that
any motion picture company has to slap a copyright on a VCD I made, and
SELL it. The comment on ripping is moronic. Much like the VHS format I'm
leaving behind, if I rip a VCD and edit it, I'm most likely going to lose
some quality, like any DIGITAL format, including DVD. I could turn around
and store every last bit of footage I shoot in a higher rez on a CD in a
normal file format, but do I always want to store _2_ copies of everything.
(Maybe I do, but should I have to?)
Can I use this software to pirate video? Yes. Why not? But again, I've
been able to do that for quite a while with a VCR, but noone argues about
whether they should be sold. I can also photo copy an entire book, why not
go after photo copy manufacturers? I can off someone with a crowbar, why
are they still on the market?
Unless you have any valid arguments to post, you're wasting everyone's
time here. This is an open source project that has many valid uses,
protected by law, and even encouraged in the capitalistic society that the
world is becomming.
-cgallaty-
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Re: Questionable type of software
by GreenAdder - Jul 22nd 2004 02:38:29
> I can't imagine any legal uses for this
> piece of software, especially the
> "Rip" portion of it, how can
> this project have GNU logo attached to
> it?
As an independent low-budget filmmaker, the ability to capture, convert,
edit, and author with GNU software has been a Godsend to me. While the
technology surely can be used to subvert copyrighted materials, it can also
be used to create new ones.
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